Comments on: The Mississippi River delta – what the corps knew and when they knew it! http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:11:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: 1897 National Geographic Article Demonstrates Knowledge about Louisiana Coastal Subsidence and the Resulting Damages Mississippi River Levees Would Cause - Louisiana Coastal Wetlands Blog http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-7665 1897 National Geographic Article Demonstrates Knowledge about Louisiana Coastal Subsidence and the Resulting Damages Mississippi River Levees Would Cause - Louisiana Coastal Wetlands Blog Fri, 21 May 2010 08:00:53 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-7665 [...] today.  Len Bahr published an article in his La Coast Post Blog on July 31, 2009 entitled, The Mississippi River delta – what the corps knew and when they knew it! I thought that I had seen the best stuff in my research. I, however, had not ever seen the December [...] [...] today.  Len Bahr published an article in his La Coast Post Blog on July 31, 2009 entitled, The Mississippi River delta – what the corps knew and when they knew it! I thought that I had seen the best stuff in my research. I, however, had not ever seen the December [...]

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]]> By: bannana http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4999 bannana Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:11:44 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4999 this is all so confusing i'm not very good at stuff like rivers and this website makes it so much more harder for me (not very good now is it) you should make part of it a kids section or something for people like me who find it trouble to do work like this a little kids corner because that would be greatt!!!! this is all so confusing i’m not very good at stuff like rivers and this website makes it so much more harder for me (not very good now is it) you should make part of it a kids section or something for people like me who find it trouble to do work like this a little kids corner because that would be greatt!!!!

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]]> By: lacoastpost http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4076 lacoastpost Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:30:42 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4076 Thanks, Erich. Tom Sands deserves most of the credit. Thanks, Erich. Tom Sands deserves most of the credit.

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]]> By: HeidiHoe http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4066 HeidiHoe Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:22:21 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4066 Sounds like Captain 'arry Shreve, mentioned in the Tulane link above, has some 'splainin' to do with respect to his channel diggin he did back in the mid 1800's at Turnbull's Bend...... Sounds like Captain 'arry Shreve, mentioned in the Tulane link above, has some 'splainin' to do with respect to his channel diggin he did back in the mid 1800's at Turnbull's Bend……

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]]> By: Anonymous http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4065 Anonymous Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:39:28 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4065 To stormineaux: It seems like you (and many others) are saying Corps (Feds) created a problem by building levees and managing navigation routes as mandated by Law. This can easily be fixed. Just let Corps know where you do not want levees and send bulldozers. Let’s remove the river control structures on the Atchafalaya River so that Mississippi can takes its natural flow. Let’s do this and save the coast. To stormineaux:
It seems like you (and many others) are saying Corps (Feds) created a problem by building levees and managing navigation routes as mandated by Law. This can easily be fixed. Just let Corps know where you do not want levees and send bulldozers. Let’s remove the river control structures on the Atchafalaya River so that Mississippi can takes its natural flow. Let’s do this and save the coast.

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]]> By: stormineaux http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4064 stormineaux Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:19:28 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4064 Very good information! This calls for another question: When did the federal government learn that constricting the mouth of the Mississippi River with jetties to facilitate navigation would drastically reduce the amount of sediment available to the delta? The reason that this question is pertinent is because many folks in this nation hold to the opinion that we deserve our sinking delta because we wanted the levees and benefitted from them. We wanted improved navigation, too, but almost everyone in the US benefits economically from the navigation improvements at the mouth of the River. When the federal policy of Mississippi River management is discussed, the policies of flood control and navigation should both be considerd. The Corps has expertly managed to make these issues seem to be separate for many years, but we can't let the structure of the Corps' budget process continue to define what can and should be done to protect and restore our coast. Very good information! This calls for another question: When did the federal government learn that constricting the mouth of the Mississippi River with jetties to facilitate navigation would drastically reduce the amount of sediment available to the delta? The reason that this question is pertinent is because many folks in this nation hold to the opinion that we deserve our sinking delta because we wanted the levees and benefitted from them. We wanted improved navigation, too, but almost everyone in the US benefits economically from the navigation improvements at the mouth of the River. When the federal policy of Mississippi River management is discussed, the policies of flood control and navigation should both be considerd. The Corps has expertly managed to make these issues seem to be separate for many years, but we can't let the structure of the Corps' budget process continue to define what can and should be done to protect and restore our coast.

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]]> By: HeidiHoe http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4059 HeidiHoe Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:52:20 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4059 Link to another article regarding the Mississippi River and its past history: <a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1997/1/1997_1_12.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine...</a> Link to another article regarding the Mississippi River and its past history:

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine...

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]]> By: HeidiHoe http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4057 HeidiHoe Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:25:04 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4057 Link to another article: <a href="http://www.tulane.edu/~bfleury/envirobio/enviroweb/FloodControl.htm" target="_blank">http://www.tulane.edu/~bfleury/envirobio/envirowe...</a> Sounds like the debate was ongoing back in the 1850's; 40 years prior to the National Geographic article..... Link to another article:

http://www.tulane.edu/~bfleury/envirobio/envirowe...

Sounds like the debate was ongoing back in the 1850's; 40 years prior to the National Geographic article…..

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]]> By: HeidiHoe http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4053 HeidiHoe Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:32:54 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4053 Another interesting source of 'olde news' in the Proceedings of the American Society of Civil Engineers; which dates back to about the 1870's. These were published annually and might also contain thoughts on river mechanics from those days. It is quite interesting to see how 'thats the way it was' back in the 1800's...... Another interesting source of 'olde news' in the Proceedings of the American Society of Civil Engineers; which dates back to about the 1870's.

These were published annually and might also contain thoughts on river mechanics from those days.

It is quite interesting to see how 'thats the way it was' back in the 1800's……

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]]> By: Erich P. Rapp http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505&cpage=1#comment-4051 Erich P. Rapp Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:55:34 +0000 http://lacoastpost.com/blog/?p=10505#comment-4051 Wow!!! I have searched for and found references to knowledge of subsidence in river deltas in the 1800's, but this National Geographic article is the best and most explicit item that I have ever seen on the potential for loss of land in the Mississippi River Delta. The earliest statement of knowledge of coastal land loss potential this explicit that I have previously seen came from the 1930's, and I was pretty happy to find that. This places pretty definitive responsibility for coastal land loss on the federal government. These statement pre-date most federal actions that had a material impact on the shape of the coastal wetlands. One must now conclude that the federal government took action that destroyed coastal land (that has not been disputed); the federal government knew when they did it what was going to happen; and no one was compensated for the loss of their land as a result. The federal government owes Louisiana and its citizens considerable damages for the loss of land in coastal Louisiana. I am very impressed by this article find. Erich. Wow!!! I have searched for and found references to knowledge of subsidence in river deltas in the 1800's, but this National Geographic article is the best and most explicit item that I have ever seen on the potential for loss of land in the Mississippi River Delta. The earliest statement of knowledge of coastal land loss potential this explicit that I have previously seen came from the 1930's, and I was pretty happy to find that. This places pretty definitive responsibility for coastal land loss on the federal government. These statement pre-date most federal actions that had a material impact on the shape of the coastal wetlands.

One must now conclude that the federal government took action that destroyed coastal land (that has not been disputed); the federal government knew when they did it what was going to happen; and no one was compensated for the loss of their land as a result. The federal government owes Louisiana and its citizens considerable damages for the loss of land in coastal Louisiana.

I am very impressed by this article find.

Erich.

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